Reclaim You- Stepping Off The Spiral Staircase
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In today's episode, Sarah and our special guest Rachael McLaughlin discuss the journey of reclaiming oneself throughout different seasons of life. They chat about what that might look like in eating disorder recovery and in motherhood, particularly in the context of postpartum depression.
Sarah and Rachael explore the challenges of navigating multiple roles and identities, the loss and grief associated with motherhood, and the fear of empty spaces when letting go of certain identities. They also discuss the complexity of shifting identities and the comfort in being uncomfortable. Additionally, they touch on the challenges of balancing business and motherhood and the importance of prioritizing and focusing energy.
They dive into the idea of the spiral staircase of healing and self-discovery, where each phase of recovery leads to a deeper understanding of oneself. They emphasize the importance of making space for one's own aliveness and stepping off the staircase to enjoy the present. They also discuss the impact of comparisons and expectations in society and the need to tune out external noise and turn up internal volume.
Takeaways
Motherhood can bring about a need to reclaim oneself and navigate multiple roles and identities.
Postpartum depression can complicate the journey of reclaiming oneself in motherhood.
There is a sense of loss and grief associated with motherhood and the need to let go of certain identities.
Shifting identities can be complex and may require prioritizing and focusing energy.
The mental load of motherhood, including managing household tasks and childcare responsibilities, can be overwhelming.
Creating space for self-care is essential for maintaining mental and emotional well-being.
The healing and self-discovery process is like a spiral staircase, with each phase leading to a deeper understanding of oneself.
Making space for one's own aliveness and stepping off the staircase can bring a sense of peace and enjoyment.
Comparisons and societal expectations can contribute to feelings of inadequacy and the need to constantly strive for more.
Tuning out external noise and turning up internal volume is crucial for finding balance and prioritizing personal growth.
Be sure to check out Rachael's practice, Beyond Therapy and Nutrition Center and follow them on Instagram!
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[00:01] Sarah: Hi there. Welcome to reclaim you, a podcast published by the Reclaim therapy team. Join us as we share stories, tools, and insights on how to reclaim you in the wake of trauma, disordered eating, and body shame. Grab your coffee, tea, or your favorite snack and get cozy because we're about to dive in.
[00:20] Sarah: Hey, everyone. I'm so excited to have my friend and colleague Rachel McLaughlin on Today's podcast. Rachel is the co founder of Beyond Therapy and Nutrition center in Newtown, Pennsylvania. Rachel is an eating disorder therapist and she also specializes in treating maternal mental health. Today, Rachel and I are talking all about reclaiming ourselves throughout different seasons of life. We talk a lot about motherhood and business, so we hope that you enjoy today's episode. We're calling it stepping off the spiral staircase. So let's get started.
[00:53] Sarah: Hey, everyone. Welcome back to reclaim you. I'm here with my good friend and colleague, Rachel, and I think we're going to be talking about a lot of good stuff today. So excited that you're on. I think Rachel is a wonderful human, and she's hysterical not to put pressure on you.
[01:08] Rachael: I do feel pressure. I do. I'm like, wow, this feels like I'm being cut on daytime television, and I have to really make sure I'm super appropriate, but I'm hoping my humor still comes through on today's podcast. So thanks so much for having me. I'm super excited, of course.
[01:24] Sarah: So, to start it off, I always ask people, what does reclaim you mean to you?
[01:29] Rachael: I love that question. And I feel like it's a loaded question, right? And I feel like I could answer it on so many different levels as a mom, as a business owner, as a therapist, as just a woman in society. But what I think about the most, probably my instant thoughts, I'm just going to go with it. Leaning to just being unfiltered, right. For today is really reclaiming myself after having my son in 2020, a year we'll never forget, and struggling with postpartum depression. And really just in the last year or two, feeling like I'm starting and continuing to reclaim myself as all of those things I mentioned, right? As a new mom or newish mom. Now I should say a business owner, a therapist, what do I want for myself and reclaiming that in my everyday life, in my personal life, my business life, all of those things.
[02:24] Sarah: Yeah, it feels loaded. And I think that's what I mean when I said we're going to talk about a lot of things today. It's like the winding road of reclaiming you over and over and over and over again as life gets lifey and lifey and lifey and lifey.
[02:41] Rachael: Yeah, totally. And it feels like even day to day. Right. You could even really leave that idea of reclaiming yourself or reclaiming aspects of yourself into everyday life. And things change day to day, week to week, season to season, and, yeah, I think it is loaded and a lot to cover.
[03:02] Sarah: Yeah. Well, let's start with what you started with. Let's start with the journey into motherhood. And I think a lot of people will relate that it's like whiplash, and then when you have postpartum depression on top of it and coming out of that, I mean, that's an experience, to say the least. Talk to us more about that.
[03:20] Rachael: Yeah. A huge experience. One I never really considered, even as a therapist. Right. I went into it really blind. Like, okay, I'll probably have the normal ups and downs, but never thought I would, a few months after my son was born, be thinking to myself, this isn't normal. This isn't how I thought I was going to feel. And even being a therapist who's connected in the area, it was so hard to find providers who specialize in that. And it was Covid, and everyone was in the thick of it. Everyone was struggling. There were waitlists and being a therapist, I feel like being a therapist in therapy, that could be a whole other episode, right? Yeah, that'll be our part two. Let's do that one next. And it was just super hard. And it got to the point where really, that idea of reclaiming was a really good motivator. I don't think I probably used that exact language, but that theme of, okay, I'm going to really work on this, I'm going to get the professional help and really feeling like I need to recreate this aspect of my identity. It's who I am and really find myself as part of motherhood journey.
[04:34] Sarah: What do you feel like was one of the hardest parts about that, or I would imagine many hard parts. So maybe what were the highlights of the many hard parts of that process of rediscovering who you are and what this role meant and how you showed up in this role and then in other aspects of your life, too?
[04:52] Rachael: I think one of the most challenging pieces was really trying to integrate all the different roles and identities of, okay, now I'm a mom and I feel like it's one of those things that you don't know until you know that you think you have an idea, right. You're out to dinner with your partner and you're watching a family giving their kid their iPad, and you're like, I'm never going to do that. Those parents are horrible. Right? Like, statistics. The statistics would show that person, that child is going to turn out to be a serial killer when they grow up, because those parents are getting them an iPad. And then all of a sudden, literally one moment, you become a mom, and you're like, here's the iPad. Now I get it. Yeah. So I feel like it really was trying to figure out, oh, this. As much as it's exactly what I thought it was going to be, it's nothing like I thought it was going to be, all at the same time and trying to really integrate. Okay. I still want to be a business owner. I want to be a therapist. I want to be a friend, a daughter, a sister, and really how to navigate reclaiming those parts of my identity while still also allowing myself to knee into the new role of being mom.
[06:09] Sarah: Yeah. And it feels like there's a lot of loss that comes along with entering these new phases, whether that's loss and, like, losing the identity wound up in your eating disorder. For folks struggling with disordered eating or an eating disorder or life before motherhood, there's so much grief in. I don't think I expected that. So much grief in losing life before motherhood. And then even, like, phases of motherhood, grief in losing phases. It's wild. It's wild.
[06:34] Rachael: Yeah. Wild is a really great word for it. And, yeah, I mean, that identity piece, working with clients who have eating disorders, disordered eating, struggling with body image, we talk about identity so much. Right. And part of that work. And then when you're faced with thinking about your identity, you're like, wow, I can really relate to this idea of, this is such a part of me. And there is grief work. There's so much loss. There's different levels of grief and loss, too, that come with it. And, yeah, there were definitely a few moments of me realizing, okay, I have to accept this as my life. And, yeah, just looking for ways to get back those pieces of identity, just like we do with our clients, of helping them with the other parts of themselves.
[07:21] Sarah: Yeah. Like, getting clear on values and what's important and goal. The pain in all the parts, too. Right. The pain in all the parts that exist alongside the fun and the joy and reclaiming who you want to be or different pieces of recovery and things like that.
[07:38] Rachael: Yeah, absolutely. And I think there's now this whole idea of what a parent is supposed to look like and social media and a lot of that even talks about body image and how we're feeding our kids and all of those different things. And you're faced with having to make decisions all day, every day, and while also managing your own stuff and being able to hold space for all of that and figuring out, okay, this is a part of my identity, I have all these other things going on. But, yeah, just like this performative nature of social media for all the things, including motherhood and being a parent. And that plays such a big role on things, too.
[08:17] Sarah: And I wonder for you, back to this negotiation of how to honor all of those parts, how to honor wanting to be a mom, maybe in a certain way or in an evolving way, even wanting to maintain a business and be a business owner and still be a therapist and a friend and a partner. And the list goes on and on and on and on. How to negotiate ping ponging between all of those different roles.
[08:42] Rachael: Yeah, I mean, I wish I figured it out to a complete science because that would be amazing, right. For myself personally. And then I probably have a line out the door, right. I'd be retiring at the age of, like, 36, giving this wisdom out. But for me, actually a therapist I worked with when I was working at higher level of care, eating disorder treatment. So I wish I could take credit for this analogy and this metaphor that I'd really have carried with me, both with clients and also personally, like you said, how to really balance all of these things. Was this metaphor around basically juggling balls in your life? And some of the balls that we juggle are glass and some are plastic. And the way that it was really described was if ball and it drops, it sometimes doesn't break, it sometimes doesn't shatter. You might not even know when you pick it up and you move on. But if something that is in a glass ball drops, it can shatter. And that shattering is various degrees. It could be a crack, it could be a complete shatter. Sometimes it's repairable, sometimes it's not. And everywhere in between, right. There's all those gray areas. So I think throughout my journey as a mom over the last three and a half years, has been really always being mindful of what is a glass ball and what's a plastic ball. And that changes day to day, week to week. Again, it's one of those things that I think is almost seasonal and recognizing, okay, right now, this has to be a glass ball, and that means I have to make something off plastic and vice versa. And it's really hard. And I think when you become a mom. And especially when you're struggling at postpartum depression, it feels like everything's a glass ball and everything is going to just break, that it's okay to make something plastic when that thing may have been a huge part of your identity before and would never have been considered plastic. So that's my long winded answer to your question with that metaphor, though, that I feel like I use a lot in my sessions with clients, too.
[10:43] Sarah: No, I love that metaphor because, yeah. Deciding each day, or even, like, morning versus night, what are my glass balls? What are my plastic balls? What do I have to prioritize here? And especially even in eating disorder recovery, I'm thinking about how that probably does change. Day to day, week to week, month to month, hour to hour, even when you're feeling pulled in different ways or different triggers or you're on social media, right? Like, it could change when you're on social media versus off of social media, because there's so much coming at you that you got to put a lot in the glass balls when you're constantly comparing yourself to people and getting fomo and getting caught up in belonging and whatever else, social media breaks up for literally everyone.
[11:27] Rachael: Yeah. I feel like the eating disorder is sneaky in that way, that it makes us feel as though these things are glass balls, right? Being thin, looking a certain way, fitting in, eating a certain way. All of those become glass balls, right? And that becomes part of the identity. And unfortunately, that typically then pushes out these other balls that, for people, used to be just as important or more important based on those values that you mentioned before. And I think that's so much of the work that we do with our clients, whether we're using this metaphor or not, of trying to figure out, hey, how do we start shifting this?
[12:04] Sarah: Because there's also so much wound up in being sick enough too.
[12:07] Rachael: Right?
[12:07] Sarah: And of course, that's the eating disorder, having a platform for continuing to engage in it, because that can feel like such a big loss, too, of not having the identifier of being the quote unquote sick one if there was some gain, that for most people there is, right. There's attention, there's care, there's check in. Even if there's tension, it's something, right? There's attachment to people through it. And so it can be a huge loss to say, oh, I'm going to shift to a different part of myself from a different identity. I'm going to even consider what else there is inside of me that could be valued or seen.
[12:43] Rachael: I was working with a client one time who struggled with her eating disorder for 15 or 20 years. And when I brought up this metaphor one time, and I'll never forget it brings me, like, a little bit of goosebumps sometimes. But we were talking about this, and she really resonated with the glass and plastic ball metaphor, but then said, well, if I take out those cases of my eating disorder, I don't feel like I have anything to fill these balls with. It feels really empty, and it feels like that is a huge barrier that, hey, if I don't have something to fill this with, I can't let it go. Right? I can't walk around empty. I can't walk around not fulfilled or getting my needs met in these ways. And her fear was you could just feel it in the room and her vulnerability. And I think that's really relatable, whether it's postpartum or just having a family or juggling being an adult and friendships and just, hey, if I lose something or if I give something up or shift it, what if there's nothing to replace it with? Or if it feels like there's nothing to replace it with? Yeah.
[13:52] Sarah: Even relationships. Right. If I leave this relationship that's brought me so much in maybe either direction, so much stress or so much sadness or even so much happiness and joy and probably a combination of the two, what do I do without it? What can fill that place? So it's easy to cling to those things because feels more secure than not, right?
[14:12] Rachael: Yeah, absolutely. Even if it's uncomfortable, there's comfort in being know. It's what people know. It's what all of know wake up with every day. And it's hard to make those changes.
[14:24] Sarah: And then in business, right. I think Rachel and I were both business owners, and we both have private practices and motherhood and stress. Life is life. What has that been like for you to navigate? I mean, for me, it's messy. Like hour to hour, probably. But what has that been like for you?
[14:43] Rachael: Yeah. Another loaded question. Yeah. Messy is a great word, right? Messy is a great word. And I think just having that flexibility, I think of. Okay, even yesterday, as you know, I sent you a frantic text message where I went to a networking event and I had all these grand ideas about what I was going to do when I got home and after bedtime and I was going to send some follow up emails and all of these great things that I felt energized by. And fast forward 45 minutes later, we're sitting in the emergency room with my son, who is just a slam this head into our coffee table, wanted to make sure he was okay. He's totally fine. I think we were more upset about it than he was. But even then, it's like getting home at 1030 and being like, okay, again, I have to shift. My son obviously, was this glass ball that had state precedent the last 3 hours, which means all my networking and business stuff suddenly became a plastic ball. But then the messy, wild part is, okay, I still find those things important and they are part of my identity. And so today, when I have some time, I'm going to make it a glass ball again. But it's super messy and super hard. And I'm super grateful for our friendship. I think it's, again, one of those things you don't know until you know.
[15:57] Sarah: Totally.
[15:57] Rachael: And we know all too well.
[15:59] Sarah: I feel like, yes, we do know all too well. Yeah. And that's like the perfect scenario. Not that I'm very sorry that happened to Nathan, but that is what happens, right? You have these grand plans of, oh, I have this full day and I have this and this and this, and I can get it all done. And then your kid's sick, right? Or you get called into daycare because something turned on its head and you have to have a meeting or whatever it is, then things get pushed back. And so it's quite a journey trying to figure out what are my priorities. Looking back, should I prioritize things differently from a place of compassion? Not should. And ******** on myself. Okay, so what does that inform me to do? Maybe for the rest of this year? Where do I want to focus my energy? How do I want to show up? How do I want to feel more, maybe like, alive in my life versus consumed in the switching out of all the balls all the time, right?
[16:51] Rachael: Yeah. I feel like anything we can take too far. And I feel like sometimes it's maddening to be like, okay, what's this ball today? What's that ball? And I think part of it is just being flexible too, of, okay, obviously I'm not going to be sending emails when my kids in the ER and having to accept it, but even there's loss in that, right? Of like, okay, I pushed myself to go to this networking event, which I'm super extroverted but really secretly internally, would love to just stay home in my pajamas and really talk to, like, three very select people and actually feeling proud of myself and feeling connected and energized. I'm like, okay, here we go. And then for the universe to be like, ha, not so fast. Yeah, change of plans. You're going to be exhausted sitting in a very packed ER for 3 hours, probably. We'll be sick for the next two weeks with whatever we caught from everyone and being like, okay. There's loss in that, though, of sitting there going, okay, that moment is gone, and I'm going to have to really gear up to get that energy back.
[17:58] Sarah: And I think it's so easy, too, to feel resentment towards either side of things. Speaking on business and motherhood, right. When you really have that energy for your business and you want to just be like, all in. And maybe some comparison of what other people are doing if they're killing it, and that type of energy that you can feel some resentment of, oh, ****, if I didn't have to do all of these other things or take care of all of these humans or this puppy or whatever it is, I could have that momentum too. And then on the other side, for me at least, oh, my gosh, I would love to just not and just be home and worry about these cute little humans that will only be cute and little for so long. It's like lip flash.
[18:37] Rachael: Yeah, it really is. And I feel like that idea, I'm super grateful again for you because you do keep it real. And the idea of resentment, I think even in a lot of the work that I did the first year of my son's life, of just talking about resentment and naming it, and there's so much shame that comes up, right, of, you're a mom. How could you possibly resent motherhood? And I remember the therapist who I saw, who I connected with the most, said, how could you not not resent about everything it takes from you? Think about how quickly things shift. And if we talked about that piece more, right? Instead of how to get your postpartum body to look how it did before, and your kid's going to be a lunatic if he watches too much tv and all of that. If we actually told mothers, hey, it's okay to have moments where you resent being a mom, I think the world would go round very differently.
[19:37] Sarah: Oh, my gosh. Yeah. And there would be less pressure, there'd be less comparison, there'd be less mental load that comes along. Seems to be just like inherent, right? Which we know. It's systemic. It's lots of things. Maybe some of it is biologic. Who knows? But I'm not a researcher in this stuff. You know more than me, but maybe some of that mental load would be shared and there would be more space to maybe choose your balls?
[20:01] Rachael: Yes, for sure. Absolutely. And I think the idea of mental load, which I'm grateful for, has come up a lot more on social media with some accounts about maternal mental health and things like that. But I think it shows up every day. Like even somewhat unrelated but related example. Today my husband's looking for the neosporin to put on my son's forehead with his looks like a little bit of like a Harry Potter grooves.
[20:28] Sarah: He's like, so cute.
[20:29] Rachael: Hear him looking around. I knew it. I knew what he was looking for. But I'm like, of course, give him time. He's going to find. Spoiler alert, didn't find it. And I'm like, what are you looking for? Pretending. Pretending, I don't know. Then you have sworn for Nathan's head. I'm like, oh, it's in the little jar in between the sinks on this. He's like, great, thanks, and walks away. And I'm like, that's just one. How do I just know where things are, right? I just have somewhere in my head stored. This is where the neosporin is. And if you look at even just that and all the other millions of facts and things that come with the mental load of all of that, and he's like, oh, cool, thanks. And probably didn't occur to him, like, wow, the amount of mental energy and power it takes to. It's going to sound silly, but know where the neosporin is at all times, that takes a lot that he doesn't carry with him throughout the day, right?
[21:27] Sarah: It's like the neosporin and the bandaids and the Tylenol and the motrin and who got Motrin last and who got Tylenol last and how many hours has it been? And, hey, what's the weather today? It's a lot to hold in your brain on top of the work that we do.
[21:40] Rachael: Yeah. And then all of a sudden you're like, oh, I never got to send those emails from that networking event and I have to do all of those things. But you'll be proud of me. I did actually send three emails before the podcast, so that was, I feel really good. But, yeah, amazing. It is just a lot, right? That mental load is a lot. And I think if we talked about it more, we mained it more, we allowed people to say, hey, I hate this right now, right? I hate this aspect or I resent it or I'm angry about it or it just sucks, right? We don't even have to use our fancy feeling meal that we all use as therapists.
[22:15] Sarah: We put on pillows and stuff. Yeah.
[22:18] Rachael: Right? It just sucks. I feel like there should be a feeling now that's just like, it sucks, right?
[22:22] Sarah: Still sucks. Yeah. There's space for it. This idea of each season of life, each phase of recovery, whether that's from an eating disorder, substances, postpartum depression or anxiety, trauma, whatever it is, it's like this spiral staircase. You go through one level of healing, and it's called, I can breathe a little bit, and then life gets lifey and you're up on the other one. Maybe you learn a little bit more and you learn about what part of yourself you're working to reclaim then. And so it's this spiral staircase of just going and going and going without maybe a destination, but just this openness to being and learning about yourself more deeply over time and what you're needing and loving and hating and all of the things.
[23:01] Rachael: Yeah. And also giving yourself permission to step off of the staircase, I think, right. Being like, oh, we got to this four, and it's okay for me to almost step away from that process and struggle and breathe and actually enjoy the work. Right. Enjoy the work. I did all this work to reclaim this aspect of myself. I can take a breather. Right. Let me get off the staircase. It's always going to be there. Right? We can always do more. Yeah. It's always going to be there. With the option to hop back on, but enjoying it and saying, okay, you know what? That part of my life or identity or struggle, it feels more settled, right. It's not going to be black and white and all or nothing, but, hey, this feels settled enough that I can actually enjoy and coast a little bit in a way. And I think that's important, too, to give ourselves that permission, because I think it can feel like. But I can keep going. I could feel better. Maybe there's more work to be done. It's okay to say, what about we just enjoy it now and pause from the staircase sometimes?
[24:03] Sarah: Yeah. It's reminding me of this morning. This is fresh. This is fresh this morning. I have it written in front of me. I saw my somatic experiencing practitioner, and I wrote this down because I was like, this is good, her offer. Or I guess we did it together. It wasn't. Anyway, it is. Can it be okay to make space for my own aliveness? And that's what stepping off the staircase feels like. Right? Like making space for your own aliveness.
[24:31] Rachael: Yeah. I love that.
[24:33] Sarah: It's shout out to Jen. She's great.
[24:36] Rachael: Yeah. I love Jen. Jen. Come on, Jen. Give us some more of these one liners or questions that are really life changing. Yeah. I think we do have to create space, right? And that's something when I open beyond, I'm like, I want this to be a safe space and for people to be able to work through taking up space in their own life. Right. Like taking up space and creating that space for yourself. Right. Whether that's taking up space in your body, taking up space in the room, taking up space in your relationships. And I think sometimes we have to create that space. It's like, let's knock on the door and be like, I'm off the staircase, let's go.
[25:16] Sarah: I'm just going to settle. I'm going to settle. I'm going to integrate. I'm going to enjoy. I'm just going to be alive. Right. And feel what it's like to be alive. Yeah.
[25:24] Rachael: Which is scary sometimes, too, right. Because then you're like, okay, but how do I do that? What do I do with that?
[25:29] Sarah: Yeah.
[25:30] Rachael: Which takes practice, right? Being present and grounded and all the things.
[25:34] Sarah: Totally. What else do you feel like you have to add to this convo?
[25:39] Rachael: Oh, man. I mean, I feel like all of these themes, we could break out into so many bigger conversations, whether it's motherhood or just even being a business owner. Right? And that comparison piece that you mentioned before. And I think our world is all about comparisons. And I did this kind of funny Instagram story about relating diet, culture and having house. Right? Yeah. This idea of like, oh, we all need shiplap on our walls and we have to have these Pinterest perfect houses and we also have to be thin and we have to live our lives as though we love being a mom and we don't want to do anything else, but we should also have careers, right? And we have to do all these cool DIY projects in all of our spare time in our houses so that they look perfect. And I think when you're a business owner, you do start comparing to what everybody else is doing and you get lost in that. Right? Like, you get lost. What do I actually want for my business? Do I want that? And maybe you don't even want that, but someone else is doing it, so you're like, well, maybe it should, right? I think just society as a whole with comparison and expectations. It's like, wild. It really is wild.
[26:52] Sarah: I remember when you posted that story, and I still am in my phase of wanting new floors in my downstairs. And I think at the time I was sending you pictures of the floors that I wanted, and I was like, I need diY. I need new floors. I don't have them yet. But you're right.
[27:11] Rachael: You're sitting with it. You're sitting with the discomfort of your perfectly good floors now, right? But it is hard. It's hard to be patient and wait. And I do think that's new. I read an article really long time ago. I should try to find it. It was very long about HGTD and how it evolved. And now people care about the inside of their homes. And when our parents were growing up and grandparents, no one cared. No one cared. People liked their homes and wanted to make them nice, of course, as they could. But it's not like it is now, where me and I have a bunch of neighbors and we love interior design and decorating, and all of us are always doing projects. And I know my mom and mother in law are like, you guys are out of your mind. What are you doing? Who cares? And I'm like, I have to have the wallpaper. I have to have the wallpaper in my bathroom. Come on. Look at this. And they're like, you're nuts. Who cares? And I'm like, I do. I don't know why I do, but I do, right? Yeah. I'm like, I'm sorry, I have to be Joanna Gaines, right? But it's so hard. And I think that evolution just ties into everything, right?
[28:20] Sarah: Like tuning down the noise outside externally and turning up the volume inside. And that's uncomfortable, but getting used to that. Turning down and turning up and turning down and turning up.
[28:30] Rachael: Finding that balance of when we needed sea louder and when we needed to be a little bit more quiet.
[28:36] Sarah: Totally. Well, tell everyone where they can find you and your practice on the Internet.
[28:44] Rachael: Oh, thanks so much. Yeah. So the co founder of Beyond Therapy Nutrition center, we are in Newtown in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, but offer virtual in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Delaware, Florida. Maybe more to come, but you can find us. Our website is beyond Newtown.com and beyond therapy and nutrition on Instagram. So thanks for having me. This was so much fun.
[29:11] Sarah: Yeah, no, thank you for coming on. I appreciate you in all the ways in business and friendship.
[29:17] Rachael: Yeah, I appreciate you. Yeah, we're in it together.
[29:21] Sarah: Sure are. All right, everybody, we will be back next week for another episode. And until then, take good care.
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