Halloween Special: The Many Masks We Wear
Season 2: Episode 23
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Happy Halloween! Today Sarah and Laura are sharing a Halloween episode, unpacking the masks that we wear.
They explore the concept of masking in our daily lives, particularly in relation to mental health, neurodivergence, and societal expectations. They discuss the various masks people wear to fit in, the exhaustion that comes from constant masking, and the journey towards authenticity.
The conversation also touches on the importance of therapy, parts work, and finding community to support individuals in their unmasking process. Ultimately, they emphasize the significance of recognizing and honoring all parts of ourselves, including the masks we wear, as a means of self-discovery and healing.
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Sarah (00:37)
Hey everybody, welcome back to Reclaim You. Laura's here and we're gonna talk about all of the many masks that we wear.
Laura Gordon (00:41)
Hello.
Yeah, happy Halloween.
Sarah (00:46)
Happy Halloween! Tis the season for masks.
Laura Gordon (00:48)
Indeed, indeed. For some of us, tis always the season for masks.
Sarah (00:52)
Yes, that's true. On the theme of Halloween, what was your favorite Halloween costume you ever had?
Laura Gordon (00:58)
There's a picture of me, I was young, I mean, maybe I was four and I'm in this really amazing lion costume that was like handmade and like my, we were not that family. My mother was like, let's go buy the plastic mask and suit that you put on. But like, I was this lion and then like a friend of hers like came and took pictures. I vaguely remember. I like, I don't remember the costume, but I just, and looking at the picture, I'm like, that was pretty cool. Like that was a pretty awesome costume.
Yeah, like my friends and I, when we were in high school, we went as mimes together one year and that was just fun because we like, we just had a good time, Yeah. What about you?
Sarah (01:28)
Let's call.
Love it.
We never got the masks and store-bought costumes. I think that my mom used to try to DIY it. So I feel like a lot of years we were all old ladies where we'd just wear a robe and a wig and we'd just be old ladies. That's what I can remember at least. I don't know, maybe one of my siblings would correct me, but that's what I remember. But one of my favorite costumes was...
Laura Gordon (01:40)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Nice.
Sarah (01:55)
It was when I after college we went to a Halloween party. Shit, I can't even remember. Wayne's World. Yeah, yeah that was a one. Yeah.
Laura Gordon (02:01)
yeah!
Nice, nice. Halloween. Yeah, we used to, we used to like have things on campus too when I was in college, but I don't really remember much about like, I'm sure I just threw shit but my, like now that we're older, like my brother,
and sister-in-law have a Halloween party every year. And we, my husband and I have gone and like, I've gone as like Moira from Schitt's we've gone as the nineties where we just are like people from the nineties. We've gone as serial killers. I was David Koresh and he was that guy from Heaven's Gate. Yeah. People were like, wow, you guys have a dark sense of humor. was like, yeah.
Sarah (02:28)
Cool.
That's amazing. I love it.
my gosh.
truth. I'm a therapist.
Laura Gordon (02:43)
I'm a therapist who comes to the territory. Yeah. So, and they, everyone does like fun costumes at They're really good. So.
Sarah (02:52)
So that's one of the masks that you wear to enter back into what we're talking about today.
Laura Gordon (02:54)
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. Yes.
Sarah (02:59)
yeah, so let's talk about the many masks that we wear. so many masks.
Laura Gordon (03:01)
I think. Yeah, like it's interesting. Because I think masking does like. We use the term masking and it can mean different things to different So like some people will say masking is like, well, like I'm like when I'm at work, I'm putting on this professional mask. And then when I'm at home, like I'm putting on a different mask. And yes, we might say that that's like masking. I think it's like, you know, certainly you.
Some people might say that's more like a code shift type situation. Although code shifting, especially when we look at that from the dynamics of race, like can really be exhausting and it is masking, right? it's masking to try and fit in, to try and like not be subjected to the inherent racism that's in our society and structures and stuff. I think though, like masking as well, when I think about it, it's, you know,
basically think about is there anywhere in life where you can be absolutely authentically you?
And if that's the case, amazing. Can you be that authentic self in most of the circles you're in, most of the places you're on? Maybe you're still yourself, but you have to act a certain way or not act a certain way. But I think when we think about masking psychologically, it's basically like I am putting on this whole new persona in order to fit in, in order to protect myself.
Often it's associated with ADHD and autism, like neurodivergence has masking, trauma masking as well. And someone on TikTok, I think it was probably described it really well. like, they said, know, imagine you are, they were talking about this in terms of bottom-up thinking, but I think it sort of applies to masking too. It's like, imagine you're going into an environment for the first time.
and you know nothing and you know no one, how that might feel. It might be overwhelming, it might be exhausting. Now, a neurotypical person who's extroverted might have no problem with that, right? Like they thrive in that like imagine you go to a foreign country, you don't know the language, right? You don't know like how the money system works. You don't know, you're dropped in the middle of it and you have to figure it all out. That process of having to piece together all the information is...
related to the bottom-up thinking that folks with autism engage in, but also I think, you know, it's that idea of having to completely transform ourselves in order to fit in to an environment in order to feel like we belong, like we're safe. Like I think there's some overlap there. I mean, it's loose, but.
But imagine also the exhaustion of that. Like imagine day in and day out. Like from a bottom up thinking point of view, imagine the exhaustion of that. From a masking point of view, imagine day in and day out knowing that you can't stim if you need to stim. And stimming is important, you know, to release energy. Or constantly being hypervigilant about what's going on around you and adapting to it on the fly because you have trauma.
Sarah (05:30)
Yeah.
Laura Gordon (05:49)
or constantly watching and collecting information about how people operate and act, and then having to really think thoroughly about how you're going to present in a situation, like even to the point of rehearsing what you're going to say and how you're going to react. I think we all do that to a degree, maybe, or many of us do that to a degree, but this is like day in and day out, situation after feeling like they're so far from their authentic self that
They can't even access it when they come to us often. And the exhaustion and the depression and the anxiety.
It's a lot, know, masking can be tough. So there are different masks that we in order to, so human society in order to survive, we have to belong. If we don't belong, we don't survive, right? By and large. This is like a survival mode thing, day in and day out for some people.
Sarah (06:24)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Absolutely. Yeah.
Laura Gordon (06:38)
And then we often see that masking burnout that comes eventually. Like, you know, all of a sudden I hit my wall and I can't do it anymore and my whole life falls apart. I can't function. And there's the day-to-day burnout when you get home and you just fall apart. But there's also like, I've put on for so long, for so many years, for so many years that like, now I can't function at all. I'm just completely burnt out, completely shut down.
And how do I recover from that? How do I find my authentic self when I don't even, I might not even know who that is because I've had to pretend something else for so long because I've been so ashamed of who that self was and so afraid of how that self would be judged by others.
Sarah (07:20)
Yeah, I've had to suppress for so long that I don't know what it's like to even come back into my own aliveness.
Laura Gordon (07:26)
Yeah, exactly, exactly. And we see this in clients, I think, all the time. I think about parts work, too, that we do.
Sarah (07:33)
I was just gonna say that yeah, parts work feels so relevant here.
Laura Gordon (07:36)
Yeah, yeah. and, you know, parts work, it's that idea that there are different parts of us that
that show up or responding to different situations in a way to, like they developed out of a way to cope with situations in our past and continue to show up in our present, though they may not be needed in the present. So they're still saying, danger, danger, this issue is here. Let me show up, I'm your angry part, so I need to fight, or let me show up, you know, I'm your people pleasing part, right? Whatever it is.
when that may not be necessary so the work we do in therapy is like, okay, let's think about how this part of surgery in the past. And, you know, how do we help the part to understand, you know, that you are safe, that this is no longer needed and sort of reassign. You know, we don't get rid of parts, we honor them. They're important. There's no bad parts, as the book states.
But sometimes we need to give them new functions and new ways of being and doing in our lives. And I think that's kind of like the masks we wear as well, you know, in the same way it's like coming to realize, wow, this is a mask that...
perhaps I still need to have it in my closet to pull from, because masking isn't always a bad thing, but learning and finding ways and finding people and environments with whom you can take that mask off and start to be genuinely, authentically yourself, which...
Sarah (08:46)
Yeah.
Laura Gordon (09:01)
I've seen that happen in clients and it's so freeing and amazing. It's also very overwhelming at first. Yeah.
Sarah (09:08)
Yeah, it's super vulnerable, right? And it often feels very unsafe because it's so unfamiliar.
Laura Gordon (09:13)
Yes, yes, yes. So getting a lot of support around that I think is important too. And oftentimes we don't even know we're masking. Especially as women, especially if we think about neurodivergent women, they often are high masking. Men can be too, but often women aren't diagnosed or are diagnosed later with some ADHD autism because they are high maskers.
Sarah (09:28)
Yeah.
Laura Gordon (09:34)
But people pleasing is a way to mask, right? Like constantly like people pleasing and so many of my clients talk about that, right? Constantly like, of course I want to people please. Like I want to be accepted. I don't want someone to be angry at me you're people pleasing, you're people pleasing, you're people pleasing. And eventually people pleasing leads down roads where we feel resentful.
Sarah (09:41)
Yeah, yeah.
Laura Gordon (09:55)
or angry, there's this pent up rage in some of us. Because for years we've had to swallow our own voice, our own thoughts, our own being, we've had to mask it in order to fit in. And
Sarah (09:59)
Yeah.
Laura Gordon (10:11)
then the rage is often coming out sideways. So the rage might be coming out towards self, self harm, ED, other ways that rage, alcoholism, addictions, things like that. Sometimes the rage might be coming out sideways in relationships where we're cutting off from people constantly. We can't seem to keep relationship in those, like we don't do intimate relationships well. Like I have people are like, I just don't do them well. Well, sometimes it's because
Sarah (10:34)
Yeah.
Laura Gordon (10:35)
a lot of that stuff comes out in the relationship that feels safe or that you hope to feel safe. So yeah, I mean, there are so many ways. I mean, think just like you could go into the Halloween Superstore and find a million and one costumes. I think if we sat with what are the masks that I wear day to day, we could come up with quite a few and some of them might be unique to us.
and our history, some of them, a lot of them might be shared across with other people. And the first step is just recognizing that, like, and normalizing it. Like, this is part of being a member of the human race is that we can't always act the same in our society because of standards that exist. And part of it is also tied into neurodivergence and trauma.
I would say even diet culture, like think about the masks we wear around diet culture all the time. Like how many, I say this in probably every podcast. It's like, I remember my best friend saying to me, she was like, when I finally like got that diet culture existed and I went on my own journey, I started my own journey of healing. And she was like, my God, thank God. She was like, there are so many more interesting things to talk about than what you're eating or not eating or.
Sarah (11:19)
yeah.
yeah.
Laura Gordon (11:42)
what the latest diet is that you're on. And I was like, I know, I know. And then like, you go out with people who are still caught up in it. You're like, like, you all don't want a salad. Like, I know that some of you want a frickin cheeseburger and a milkshake and fries, but you're not going to do it. That's exhausting for various reasons. Yeah, or have to put on this persona of like, I go to the gym and I'm a gym rat and this is what I do. And then like I keep Yeah, yeah.
Sarah (11:45)
I feel like,
Like, shit.
That is exhausting. Yes. Yes.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And this is who I am. Mm-hmm.
Laura Gordon (12:09)
And then I keep failing at it and I keep having to like, and then I'm, I'm shaming myself because I can't seem to get it. Well, maybe that's not, that's not what you need. That's not who you are. I mean, maybe your movement's going to look different.
Sarah (12:17)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Laura Gordon (12:22)
But we're all, you know, having to fit in boxes in our society because of these standards that exist, whether it's die culture or elsewise, is exhausting and dehumanizing.
Sarah (12:25)
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, and I feel like so much of this process is the unmasking process is divesting from societal norms, choosing like what am I comfortable with? which norm am I like, that's kind of stupid. Or like, that's kind of fucked up, right? and slowly pulling back to be curious about what do I really feel? And for a lot of people, and I think myself included, It's like, I don't even know, because I don't really know who the hell I am. You know, so it's this
Laura Gordon (12:55)
Yeah.
Sarah (12:57)
It feels really big because it is really big, you know?
Laura Gordon (13:00)
It is. Yeah. Yeah, it's big. It's scary at first. I think it's also where therapy can be really helpful or safe places like when you find that friend or that group of friends where you feel like, wow, this is the first time like I feel like people see me. Like I feel like I'm understood. That is a huge moment for many people.
that can come on the heels of therapy because now there's more of a an understanding and an acceptance of self so that one can go find those circles of people. But yeah, we do need that safety. We need a place where however we show up, we're honored, we're respected, we're not judged. And, you know,
there's a curiosity factor for those of us sitting across, you know, if someone is acting a certain way that we find is odd or not quite in line with like how we were taught, you know, versus before judging them off the bat, like why not be curious about, hmm, I wonder why, I wonder how it is that they're acting that way. And I feel like I can't, you know, what keeps me from just being authentically myself or
Sarah (13:47)
you
Yeah. Yep.
Laura Gordon (14:01)
Sometimes it's like, wow, if this person, I wonder what's going on there. Like, are they putting on? Like, are they uncomfortable? Like, there's curiosity, I think, can help in a lot of cases of just like trying to understand a situation with compassion versus judging outright what's going on. And kids are the worst. Kids roll their eyes and like, my god, like, I don't want to be associated with that person. mean, kids in school who are struggling with this, it's awful. And then it just...
Sarah (14:21)
Right.
It is awful. Yeah.
Laura Gordon (14:27)
as adults were no better.
Sarah (14:28)
Right, it's just like a different version, you know, it's a different version, We've learned the strategy really, really well to mask or to, you know, disown parts of ourselves because often because of the impact of what we've been through in the past, So we get really, really good at it. And I think for most of us, we don't even realize like it's not serving us until we realize this doesn't serve us, thinking about the people pleasing thing, like we're pleasing, we're pleasing, we're pleasing.
Laura Gordon (14:37)
Yeah.
Sarah (14:52)
So we feel like maybe surface level, we belong because we're pleasing and people need us and we can do whatever it is. But there's that like depth of longing inside where if you're masked and you're not showing up with what you need and who you really are, I think that longing for belonging still remains, right? That longing for connection because the true you isn't being connected with, It's very surface level. So here we go, like replaying patterns because of that.
Laura Gordon (15:10)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. And the true you is so exiled that you, you believe that that true you is is not worthy. It's bad. You're embarrassed, ashamed of who you are. You want nothing to do with it. So anytime that might show up or show itself, you double down.
And that's where we see, of course, like anxiety and depression come in, people's sense of self-worth just being destroyed. And I think ultimately when folks show up in the room with me for therapy, it's often where they've hit a breaking point. And it's like, I can't go on like this. I'm falling apart and I don't know. I don't even know how to, I don't even know what I would look like to put myself back together again.
Sarah (16:04)
Yeah, yeah, where to even start.
Laura Gordon (16:07)
Yeah, yeah. So how do we not let it get to that stage?
Sarah (16:12)
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, and probably, the first step is just acknowledging like where, where is this showing up? How does this show up for you in your life? what moments in time feel like you're authentically you? Maybe there are some, maybe there are none, right? But that's just information.
Laura Gordon (16:23)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, and oftentimes, we're like, don't even know what that means. It's like, cannot compute. And you're like, OK, so now we know where we're at. Yeah, and looking historically at like, you know, that's where some trauma work might be helpful as well. Like, let's look back at like, when did you first notice there's this challenge in being able
Sarah (16:30)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Laura Gordon (16:48)
to be yourself or when did you first notice you started people pleasing, let's say. When did you first notice that coming up? When you're people pleasing, let's listen to your body. What's your body saying? When I'm people pleasing, I am scrunching my toes up. I can remember standing and someone talking at me and talking at me. And what I needed to say to them was, I appreciate that you're concerned about this. However,
we need to schedule a time for you to talk to me at a different time. And instead I would people please and just stay for like an hour listening to a person gripe about something that on my time, like late at night when I was working in different fields, or I would listen to someone go on and on and gripe when what I really needed to say to them was like, okay, like I hear that you're angry yet.
We also need to understand there's other aspects to this and elements of this. And there's a way for you to act and it's not like this, right? But instead I'd be my, literally would feel my toes and my shoes just like getting tighter and tighter and tighter. And it got to the point where like my whole body was so tense from years and years and years of masking of people pleasing that I couldn't move. I was, I went to a chiropractor finally and they were like, holy shit. Like, how are you walking around?
Sarah (17:46)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Laura Gordon (18:00)
And it took a lot of that and a lot of massages, know, and fortunately I had the privilege to be able to engage in that. had health insurance that covered it. But there's a, there's a somatic aspect to this as well.
Sarah (18:05)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, it's making me think of this past week I was at a training and it was all about, it was all touch work, which like, first of all, was so far out of my comfort zone because like, don't, like I'm therapist, right? I don't like lay hands on people, right? Like I'll give hugs, like sure, if people want to do that, yeah, great. But yeah, I'm not like laying hands on people. And I mean, people don't often lay their hands on me either, like, right? My kids, sure, but that feels different. Anyway.
Laura Gordon (18:24)
Yeah, we don't touch.
Mm-hmm.
Sarah (18:37)
And yet, just noticing how the people pleasing for me even still shows up throughout sessions of touch work with strangers, essentially, and how I was suppressing, embracing, and holding. And I think the best part of this week was getting to know how those patterns are showing up even more deeply in my physiology, because it's not like we peel off the mask and we're done, right? There are these deep, deep layers that our bodies hold onto.
Laura Gordon (18:46)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Sarah (19:04)
which recreate patterns and things like that. it's really, so fascinating that when you can get to the point where you're noticing you're doing these things, you just start to do some work and you see the impact and how it ripples in, not just out.
Laura Gordon (19:15)
I love that. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. There is, there's this rippling in and then this blossoming of someone who has been...
so exiled from being for so long.
I, it's, you know, when someone starts to come forward and be more and more them, it's just really beautiful to witness.
Sarah (19:34)
for the person experiencing it too, right? It's easy to rush past it and say like, I was just a blip on the radar. But when you slow down with this moment or these moments of really being you, it's really profound to actually remember, right? And to feel what that feels like. It gives you a platform to come back to it, maybe more readily over time.
Laura Gordon (19:54)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and to even, you know, some of the trauma work we do, you know, we're looking at memories, we're looking at EMDR, you know, it's a reframing of things in a way. And reprocessing.
You know, what is it now to step into these memories in your authentic self and see it with new eyes? You know, they might have a different impact on us in that way. I've had clients who said to me, like, I now realize, I was always there, but I couldn't see myself. I couldn't experience myself there because I was so caught up in whatever the trauma was.
Sarah (20:29)
Yeah, the loving and caring eyes weren't available. Yeah.
Laura Gordon (20:33)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's pretty powerful stuff. Yeah, yeah.
Sarah (20:36)
It is. It is. And realizing there's no pathology behind wearing masks, right? There's no pathology behind masking because it's actually a great strategy to survive in this messed up world.
Laura Gordon (20:47)
yeah. Indeed. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, I think the healing work is just recognizing that you're using masks when and why you're using them. you know, are there times when you're using them where maybe...
we can look at that from a different perspective and not be using them as a way to suppress yourself.
but as a way, you know, like it's different. Some of us are just so like it's just like so second nature to us that we don't even realize we're doing it. But I think.
as you were saying, when we realize we're doing it, when we're able to slow down, like it does give a different perspective. And I think also we can just forgive ourselves to say, yeah, like I'm just trying to survive here and this is, I'm doing that to survive. And I don't want to people please anymore, but in that situation, I know why I did it. I know why I went right straight back to that because I felt threatened. And so, okay, then we come to the session, okay, well, what was causing you to feel threatened? Let's look at that.
you was the trigger here? And we can do some trigger identification, do some, you know, reprocessing around that.
And yeah, you still have those masks available to you.
Sarah (21:51)
It's like that difference between suppressing and supporting, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, support came into my mind when you were saying that because yeah, there's this suppression of self, suppression of needs, suppression of connection, all of those things. But then when we use the mask to support, like, okay, cool, you're using the mask because it's a strategy and it's supportive and it's containing. It changes the relationship with the mask.
Laura Gordon (21:54)
Yes, I love that, yes.
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So like, rather than storing those masks in a bin in the dingy basement in a corner where all the spider webs are, we can, yeah, exactly. Like we can probably like, like, okay, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna have my mask ready available. I'm gonna display them on the wall sometimes. Like, you know, I don't need to, I don't need to hide that. I don't need a mask that I'm masking.
Sarah (22:22)
Yeah. Happy Halloween. Sorry.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, to yourself, right? Yeah.
Laura Gordon (22:38)
That makes sense. Yes, yes, yeah. Yeah. And I can find places where it's safe for me not to mask. That that's possible in our world. And it's possible when we begin to reclaim, you know, our authentic selves.
Sarah (22:50)
Yeah.
Laura Gordon (22:59)
and recognize that that part of us has as much a right to be and exist and present as all those mass parts of ourselves have had to over time. Yeah. Yeah.
Sarah (23:11)
Beautiful.
Yeah, some deep stuff.
Laura Gordon (23:13)
I'll say this, I'm not trying to promote any particular social media platform, but I have been, I'm not, and I know TikTok is ripe with issues, but it has been interesting, like, as I've been just learning more for myself about masking, but about things like neurodivergence, having been diagnosed.
Sarah (23:24)
You
Laura Gordon (23:36)
at a late age myself as neurodivergent. People just being really open and honest and sharing their stories. So that maybe that's a start, it's too much to go to a therapist or it's too much, there's nowhere else that you feel you can talk about this. Maybe a place to start. That's where social media can be helpful in terms of finding others who are struggling in the same way.
and sort of sharing openly about their experiences.
and also sharing openly like, I'm autistic and I have all these gifts and I want to share them with the world. And I think that's pretty amazing too. Yeah, yeah. So.
You're not alone.
Indeed.
Sarah (24:11)
Well, thank you, my friend.
Laura Gordon (24:12)
Sure, thank you. Yeah.
Sarah (24:13)
Yeah, yeah. Let's close it out with your favorite Halloween candy.
you
Laura Gordon (24:18)
man, I mean.
have to go there's it depends there's so much there's so many caveats this but by and large the best Halloween candy are Reese's pumpkins
Sarah (24:28)
I was gonna say the same thing of all time.
Laura Gordon (24:31)
Yes, yes. Reese's cups are a, they pale in comparison to any of the Reese's holiday things. The ratio of the chocolate to the peanut butter and the fact that, yeah, the fact that the chocolate isn't that weird, like edgy, like there's a texture thing for me. Yeah, it's weird. It's weird. Yeah, yeah.
Sarah (24:42)
Can't beat it.
kind of like stale in a way, like it's too hard.
Laura Gordon (24:52)
Yeah, so Reese's pumpkins, I think they have like bats and ghosts too now, like you get the whole like variety bag, but yeah, I gotta go with Reese's. Yeah. Yeah.
Sarah (24:59)
I'm with you.
All right, well hope everyone has a Reese's pumpkin.
Laura Gordon (25:03)
Indeed, they're buy one get one at some places right now. Yep, check out the sales. And as a wise woman once taught me years ago, she makes those peanut butter blossom cookies at Christmas with the Hershey kiss in the middle. And she's like, you always buy your Hershey's kisses after the holiday on super clearance and then you freeze them.
Sarah (25:06)
I still need to buy Halloween candy. So...
Ooh, yeah. Yeah.
Brilliant. We'll free them. Brilliant.
Laura Gordon (25:24)
and then you have them for next year. Yeah. And I was like, this is a great idea. So I started doing that. And I found that some of them lasted, not all of them. Because I was like, I chocolate.
Sarah (25:35)
I have chocolate! Right, I was gonna say I would still just eat them frozen. That's true. That's true. Yeah. CC the money podcast we've been doing.
Laura Gordon (25:38)
Yeah, but at least you got them cheap.
After holiday sales, but make sure it's a sale because some sales are not really sales. It's like we just jacked up the price and now we're giving you a quote unquote discount when it only cost us nothing to make this.
Sarah (25:55)
Right, right. It's just the normal cost that isn't the holiday, whatever. It's all trickery. Anyway.
Laura Gordon (25:59)
Yeah, indeed. Yeah, so I hope everyone has a great Halloween. Enjoy it, whatever candy or you eat or don't eat or have a great time. Yeah,
Sarah (26:05)
Yes.
whatever masks you wear or don't wear.
Happy Halloween!
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